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EU REFERENDUM RESULT [Jun. 25th, 2016|08:50 pm]
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I woke up Friday 24th and felt sick after I heard the result of the EU Referendum. Of the votes cast,
42% voted to "Remain", 52% voted to "Leave" and I estimate about 25-30% of those eligible to vote did not bother to do so. Personally I regard this result as inconclusive.

In 2013 Prime Minister David Cameron proposed we have a Referendum on EU membership. No political party bothered to devise any sort of post-referendum plan during those 3 years. David Cameron announced he will resign and not try to sort this mess out and the new Party Leader will be elected in October at the Conservative Party Conference. So, the economy, potential investors, rest of the EU, and more or less everyone will be in a state of limbo until the Tory Party has had its annual arse-licking Conference. To me this looks like putting Party before Country, abrogating responsibility by allowing a Referendum in the first place, washing your hands of the consequences after the result and telling everyone to wait 4 months before any action is taken to formally withdraw from the EU. Remember Pontius Pilate?

Bye-bye . . . Bye-b . . . . By . . . B . . . BBLBL . . blb . . . silence

The Conservative Party is internally divided, the Labour Party is likely to hold a "Vote of No Confidence" re- its Leader, Jeremy Corby, there is no effective opposition in UK (and I think it looks like there is no effective government either). The campaign has show me just how much out of touch politicians are with the electorate, that they do not listen to and/or understand people's concerns, they misinform, change sides and cannot be trusted or believed.

So, come autumn the world might find Borat the Buffoon Johnson Prime Minister in UK (or UK minus Scotland or UK minus Scotland and everyone in Northern Ireland with an Irish Republic AND UK passport) and Donald Trump President of the United States of America.

[User Picture]From: sueworld2003
2016-06-25 09:23 pm (UTC)
"To me this looks like putting Party before Country,"

And you'd be correct. But lets face it thats what the Tory party has always been about. It's just now they've done the biggest fuck up this country has ever known and the fall out from this will be immense. :(
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[User Picture]From: cadobhik39
2016-06-26 01:26 pm (UTC)
Almost - actually Tory view is
"my job as MP and its perks and future Directorships"
then "the party if whipped"
then "the country"
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[User Picture]From: the_jubjub_bird
2016-06-25 09:43 pm (UTC)
Calm down, everyone. We may have voted for Brexit, but there's no need for any drama

Norman Tebbit
As for our friends north of the border: when Mrs Salmond really thinks about it she may decide that it would be hard to sell to the canny Scots that with just one seat amongst 28 at the Council of Ministers she would have as much influence as Scotland now has at Westminster. Or indeed that the German and French big boys will have time to listen any more to little Scotland than they have for poor little Greece.


I'm sorry if I shouted, but nothing much is going to happen tomorrow.
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[User Picture]From: turk_diddler
2016-06-25 09:50 pm (UTC)
It's been a quite familiar refrain over the last couple days, the one where many of the people who voted for Leave comfort themselves by saying not very much will change.
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[User Picture]From: biascut
2016-06-25 10:05 pm (UTC)
But the comparison isn't between "how much influence Scotland has at the Council of Minisyers now as part of the U.K." and "how much influence it would have independent", it's between "having equivalent power to Ireland or a new member state" and "being part of of a UK which is outside the EU". Or are you arguing that we won't actually leave after all?
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[User Picture]From: cadobhik39
2016-06-26 01:24 pm (UTC)
It's OK you are allowed to shout. BTW - wrong fish - sturgeon not salmon(d)
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[User Picture]From: ems
2016-06-26 09:33 am (UTC)
As someone who lives in Northern Ireland I am pretty devastated. This is very bad news for the rather fragile peace we've enjoyed under the Good Friday agreement.
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[User Picture]From: jeffthelion
2016-06-26 12:13 pm (UTC)
Yep, all because Cameron wanted to prove to his Eurosceptics that they were wrong.

Do you think Northern Ireland will do a Scotland and look to go on its' own or rejoin Ireland?
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[User Picture]From: cadobhik39
2016-06-26 12:45 pm (UTC)
That's the problem, we have to await developments. Why wait 4 months though? Its a bit like Cameron having a car crash and telling the injured 3rd party, I'm off for a spot of lunch at my club, but I'll be back later and will phone an ambulance for you.
Last night on the radio there was discussion as to when the withdrawal process can legally starts. Some EU minister reckon it is when the referendum result was announced. The EU will also be in limbo until this mess is sorted. They might take pre-emptive action and get the ball rolling. Can't blame then if they do; action is needed.
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[User Picture]From: cadobhik39
2016-06-26 12:54 pm (UTC)
I'm worried in rural England, you have my deep sympathy. Would a "united Ireland" be so bad? Especially as Eire is an EU country. I lived in Glasgow for 3yrs and this was my first encounter with sectarianism, Orange Parades etc. When introduced to my new colleagues one simply asked "what are you Catholic or Protestant" and "How much do you earn" - what a way to pigeon-hole people.
However, it did make me try and work out which sect I might belong to and where an non-believer would fit in the scheme of things.
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[User Picture]From: jeffthelion
2016-06-26 12:15 pm (UTC)
"The Conservative Party is internally divided, the Labour Party is likely to hold a "Vote of No Confidence" re- its Leader, Jeremy Corbyn." - Another spot on prediction.

I sincerely hope you're wrong for once about Trump.
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[User Picture]From: fyremoon
2016-07-05 09:56 pm (UTC)
I find it amazing what has happened post-brexit. We've seen Boris Johnson drop himself from the biggest job in his career; David Cameron and even UKIP's Nigel Farage resign.

The most ironic thing is that it's not the Labour party that will hold the vote of no confidence, it's Corbyn's fellow MPs as 72% of the party are behind him. When the MPs attempted a coup in June, 60,000 people joined the party setting a new record high.
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[User Picture]From: cadobhik39
2016-07-06 09:55 am (UTC)
You couldn't make up this stuff! Anyone heard from the LibDems? No post Brexit plan even though there were 3yrs to draw one up - even Baldrick had a plan!
I've no idea what Labour are doing, apart from planning to vanish up their own arses - what an opportunity missed. So we've no real government I guess, no opposition but to be fair, not much to oppose just now.

Not to worry, they'll all be off on holiday soon, then the round of Conference arse-licking . . . and in the meantime where did the £ go? Chilcot Report forgotten, and talk/meetings about how to plan for the post-Brexit strategy (we hope).

With only 37% of the population in favour of leaving EU and a 48:52% result, I really don't think that is sufficient to leave the EU. EU certainly needs shaking up and modernising, to be more financially accountable, stop the stupidity of Brussels/Strasbourg annual migration etc etc etc.

And politicians wonder why the electorate are apathetic? Just look in the mirror.
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[User Picture]From: dalek_i_loveyou
2016-07-08 01:52 am (UTC)
I voted to leave due to the right-wing undemocratic nature of the EU.
I was happy with the result but don't think they'll let us leave.
This is the pet project of the elites and if we leave then many more nations will be emboldened.
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[User Picture]From: cadobhik39
2016-07-08 08:59 am (UTC)
I started off thinking I'd vote to leave, but having seen the UK politicians on action during the campaign, I concluded I'd rather have bunch of unelected civil servants in charge than the bunch that graced my TV, radio and newspaper daily.

Then I ended up wondering why on earth Cameron gave us a referendum in the first place (other than to appease Tory Euro-sceptics, BNP, UKIP etc). We elect governments to govern, not wash their hands of contentious issues.

I was disappointed with the result but am coming to think we will be better off out - maybe even the first out before the project hit the rocks.

Quite true what you say - EU is run by a small clique as a project. A cynic might even say it is a way for Germany to rule Europe third time lucky.

The Strasbourg/Brussels migration, for me, sums up the inability of the EU to get its act together, its lack of care with funds, and the rather childish outlook - "we want a parliament . . .so do we" OK have one each, rather than someone say "now now children, grow up we can only have one."
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