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JC [Jul. 12th, 2016|09:44 pm]
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[turk_diddler]
Just wondering if we have any Corbynistas in the house and whether they could possibly explain why it's so worth celebrating a presumed repeat of his leadership triumph. We all know it makes Labour unelectable, so what's the point?
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[User Picture]From: doug57a
2016-07-12 11:10 pm (UTC)

Your reply re Corbyn.

I'll be voting Ukip in future. Had enough of Labour and The Tories.
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[User Picture]From: doug57a
2016-07-12 11:13 pm (UTC)

Re: Your reply re Corbyn.

As above. I'll be voting for Ukip next election.
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[User Picture]From: a_pawson
2016-07-13 11:12 am (UTC)

Re: Your reply re Corbyn.

Will UKIP even exist by then? They are a single issue party, which has achieved it's raison d'etre. What would they stand for?
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[User Picture]From: doug57a
2016-07-13 06:19 pm (UTC)

Re: Your reply re Corbyn.

Oh. A bit of French their isn't it (Raison d'etre)?? Lets wait and see. Doubt if we will see The Liberals again. Labour is in a state. What is Corbyn doing (The Hokey Cokey? In, out, in, out shake it all about??). Sam n Dave have legged it as fast as they can leaving May in charge now SO, as I've said, lets just wait and see what happens next. Hopefully she'll get on with Brexit first then deal with the rest a bit later.
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[User Picture]From: biascut
2016-07-13 09:06 am (UTC)

Re: Your reply re Corbyn.

Do you actually like UKIP policies, or just see them as a protest vote?
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[User Picture]From: doug57a
2016-07-13 12:46 pm (UTC)

Re: Your reply re Corbyn.

Both. I like some, not all, of their policies AND it's also a protest vote. I / we want out of The EU and, lastly, theirs no one else to vote for anyway. I'm certainly not voting Labour or Tory again. After Ukip theirs more chance of me voting for The BNP, EDF, BF, KKK and AA. Hope this has answered your question.
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[User Picture]From: biascut
2016-07-13 01:22 pm (UTC)

Re: Your reply re Corbyn.

That definitely answers the question!
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[User Picture]From: bogwitch
2016-07-13 07:26 am (UTC)
I like Corbyn, but I agree that however good/bad he is, Labour need an electable leader. Now.
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[User Picture]From: a_pawson
2016-07-13 08:38 am (UTC)
Does he make Labour unelectable? This keeps on being repeated, yet in every by-election and local election that has been held since he became Leader, the Labour share of the vote has increased. The party membership has almost doubled, and he has engaged a lot of people who felt they were previously not represented by any political party.

The point is that an awful lot of Labour supporters think he represents the policies they believe in. His leadership raises a serious question - should a party have policies based on the principles its leader and membership believe in, or should it have whatever policies it thinks are most likely to get hem elected. I prefer the former.
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[User Picture]From: biascut
2016-07-14 09:00 am (UTC)
The coherent argument for why he's unelectable is that under FPTP, all of those newly-engaged people and increased vote share doesn't matter, because those are all mostly safe Labour constituencies anyway. The people that Corbyn is engaging aren't the right people in the right places to win seats off the Conservatives or the SNP, which is what Labour needs to form a government. Which is why British (particularly English) politics always defaults to the centre ground.

If Westminster was elected by PR, then increased turnout, greater engagement and polls showing support for Corbyn would be indicative. But under FPTP, the only thing that really matters is Labour's showing in the marginal seats that swing an election, and I've not seen any analysis at that level that suggests that Corbyn could win an election. If it's out there, I'd love to see it!
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[User Picture]From: turk_diddler
2016-07-14 04:11 pm (UTC)
That's a very cogent response, and raises the precise points that no Corbyn supporter seems able to comprehend or respond to. Under the current system his and their intransigence prevent Labour from having the support required to moderate the movement to right that parliament takes under a Tory government.

But then socialists and Trotskyists aren't particularly well known for their pragmatism, and at £3-a-vote that can afford to fantasise. Here's hoping £25 sees a few of them off.
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[User Picture]From: biascut
2016-07-13 09:08 am (UTC)
Meh at "Corbynista". Turning support for any particular candidate or leader into an unchanging identity is not doing the Labour party any favours.
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